The Jack T Chick thread...

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Chick's hated and disrespect for his fellow man isn't right, and neither is your's.

I don't hate my fellow man. I have more patience and tolerance for people than you care to know, and anyone who knows me IRL would confirm that.

I hate, however, many of the concepts of God, and what those concepts drive people to do, think, say and feel.

I lived that life for over 25 years. I've earned my distaste for the Christian concept of God. I make no apologies for it.

[ashes]

Not so for religious folks. We have to hear time again how much of a joke you find our beliefs, our God, our faith. You can't see past your own hatred and anger to see that when you do that, you're also disrespecting the person holding to those faiths, that God.

I have never understood that.

I believe in God and have never felt disrespected when people make fun of God. Not here, the Allspark, or anywhere else

I agree. I may be a heathen non believer but I know I've been with Rhinox when a friend or sometimes myself admittedly has made a crude or mocking joke aimed at Christianity, Jesus, or God, and he has either managed to laugh along or seemingly not let it phase him. Whether or not it may have on some level, I don't know.

The sad part is that strikes me as someone who is strong and secure in their faith, yet I know he has had other "faithful" people repeatedly question his faith and try to deem him lacking in it. To that I agree with Dusty: that seems to me as someone who is insecure in their own faith and is needing to impose some smug judgement on others.


And to quote Dusty from elsewhere; "just how high is your horse?"

[Rob]

Is this a bad time to mention I am a big fan of Battle Pope?

[ashes]

Is this a bad time to mention I am a big fan of Battle Pope?

battle pope is awesomes.

[Rhinox]

My faith is stronger than jokes. My faith is stronger than snide comments. I live my life in faith every day, secure in the knowledge that God is there and that he doesn't need me to defend him.

I would rather not hear some of the jokes, I'd rather not have to deal with the serious questions concerning faith, but to react in such a manner would cheapen that which I hold dear.

True faith is a belief tempered in the fires of non belief. Tested daily against doubt, and cynicism. Tempered by the ordeals of this world, this life.

Let the jokes go, man. In the end, words mean nothing. Jokes mean nothing. At the end of the day, it's what you hold dear, what you truly believe that carries the day.

[Pants-less Bard]

I'm done. I'm out of here.

Wow, two in one day. Is there anyone else that we can get rid of?

[ironbite4]

Let the jokes go, man. In the end, words mean nothing. Jokes mean nothing. At the end of the day, it's what you hold dear, what you truly believe that carries the day.

Also...Jesus likes a good joke. Even if its on him, he'll still laugh at it.

Ironbite-then turn your water into wine so you can stumble around camp drunk for the rest of the night and everyone laughs at you when you fall into the fire....the prick.

[Rhinox]

Jesus: The Party Messiah!

[Akitsu]

There's a distinct difference between believing in something, and using a belief as a way to promote hate. Sure, Jack's main character claims to be all about the love... but only if you abandon who you are and do as he would.

If we all acted that way, the Double Dutch Rudder wouldn't have been invented. ;p

In all seriousness, the only way this thread should offend you is if this guy represents your own beliefs. I highly doubt that's the case... so don't take any of it personally. If this was a thread about basic theology, we'd be a bit more respectful... as is, it's a thread about a whack-job idiot.

Lot offers his virgin daughters in an attempt to stop the men from sinning. Bad enough for them to be doing it to everyone in the town, but these guys are angels of the lord... so I doubt God would be merciful once they returned back with the news and a pair of sore asses. Lot's reaction is kind of weird though, that's kind of like saying, "Don't take my wife... that's adultery. Take my child instead." Just because it isn't breaking one of the cardinal sins, it's somehow a better choice. Must be a cultural thing... as to modern thinking it just doesn't make much sense.

In the Islamic version, Lot tells the men they can have his virgin daughters if they agree to marry them first. This is a more likely scenerio considering the time it supposedly happened.

What I really don't like about this story is that it's yet another allegory about how big city life is a corrupting influence. The people of the plains are simple and follow God's path... but those assholes in the city? The ones exposed to multiple cultures, trade, and a booming economy? Nah... those bastards are evil ass pirates who're gonna get nuked. It's a story designed to dissuade people from modernization... the homosexual aspect of it was merely a scare tactic to keep people away from such places.

At the end of the day, there's really no evidence that the city even existed... nor any written record of it outside of scripture.

[artempress]

There was also a very interesting "Mysteries of the Bible" episode I watched a long time ago that talked about the subject of Lot, and it spoke of the culture of the time, where the safety of one's guest and the hospitality towards them was extremely important. Life was very difficult back in those times and survival in the harsh desert climates demanded a cultural system in which a man showed hospitality towards travelers and was responsible for their safety while they stayed in his household, as he might need to rely upon the same hospitality later.

Thus, the real sin that the denizens of the city practiced in was the disregard for their fellow man. Everyone was out for himself, and the reason why they came upon Lot's house and demanded he give them his guests were because they wanted to rob and rape them. Lot's offering of his daughters instead was his attempt to protect his guests, which was more important than the safety of his own family (plus in ancient times most women were treated like commodities. By today's standards, Lot'd get his daughters taken away by protective custody, but I digress). I've never thought that the main sin was homosexuality, as being gay does not mean one is going to force themselves upon another person. I think there is a better correlation between the men who demanded Lot hand over his guests and prison rape. Rape is about imposing one's dominance over another, and that's what the men in Sodom were after. They were threatened by the holiness of Lot's guests, and when an insecure person feels threatened, they tend to strike out at what they fear.

I believe the sins of Sodom were more complex than what Fundamentalists like to claim. I believe it was considered evil because there was no respect and brotherly love extended towards thy neighbor, which was a HUGE biggie in the culture of that world during that time. It was a dangerous place where crime was rampant and no one cared for one another, to the point where they openly tried to attack Lot because he showed kindness and hospitality toward guests. That's why God burned the city to the ground. Not because of butt sex, but because it was a city full of Assholes, aka Detroit

(if any of you are actually from Detroit, I swear I'm just joking and I'm sure there are more than 10 decent people out there. But seriously, that town has gone down the tubes in later years).

[Akitsu]

No, even the people from Detroit know it's a shithole. No need to sugar coat it. Still, I find that a lot of interesting people escape from there... only to tell horror stories.

[ambrose]

Jesus: The Party Messiah!

Personally, I'd really like to get tanked with Jesus. Am I allowed to say that here? I mean, he did a lot of wedding receptions and such...